stcraftie59
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In Beta, switch from Satellite + old places to Classic. Anyone see much of a difference?
Same black bar on top. No way to select Auto, Map, Hybrid, Satellite, or Terrain, except under "Alternative sources".
No User map.
[u:1afotbal][i:1afotbal][b:1afotbal]The "Alternative sources" do not show rectangles or polygons.[/b:1afotbal][/i:1afotbal][/u:1afotbal]
What we have here is not "Classic" at all, but Beta. [b:1afotbal]I feel that we have been lied to.[/b:1afotbal]
Edit: dawtcalm's message was not there when I sent the message, but his post says much the same as mine. I agree with him. |
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sodabottle
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>> I feel that we have been lied to
sigh! it is a classic developer trick. AK,jacksav et al believe by showing rectangles over polygons, we users will believe that "wikimapia classic" still exists. Sigh!!. |
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sodabottle
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Continuing from above:
1) For some reason, the admins believe they can not continue the old Classic way of doing things
2) If we demand to have classic, admins will insist that the "new rectangle shiny thing" is the same thing as the "old classic". And we will be splitting hairs over what constituted classic.
3) So instead of arguing with Koriakine and Jacksav, i say this : look i get it, you guys dont want the wikimapia classic still hanging around. But we users atleast want the following FEATURES OF CLASSIC in the new wikimapia like
a) A way to resize rectangles
b) Users map
Is this too much to ask?
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allgaiar
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Again. A lack of communication. :-((
It´s a pity and NO pleasure, to work in this time at Wikimapia. |
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Catholicus
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my problem is the Beta polygon outline is almost grey, and faint, and unless you are very very close, it blends in too much with roads/borders, etc, that it is hard to find the outlines distinguishable,and with no rectangles all the more challenging to find places..... perhaps making it pale yellow outline or more silver??
PAX |
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eliyutero
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| 16 years ago |
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| Just give us back the "old" wikimapia classic. Please. It is VERY frustrating to work under these circumstances in which the adminsitrators keep changing things up. The old classic version may not be a perfect system but IMHO, it is the most functional and user friendly. |
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donotdisturb
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| [b:3os2895g]Strongly agree with eliyutero![/b:3os2895g] |
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shbn
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I don't think it is too much to ask, to have Wikimapia classic restored back to the way it was. What we have right now under "Wikimapia Classic" name is just BETA with rectangles. More important than rectangles were all the functions in classic that now aren't available anymore.
I am sorry to say this, but I just can't work in this classic-BETA hybrid mode. The admins might not care about this, but I will stop contributing to Wikimapia until classic functions are all restored! |
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interrobang
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| I agree with Catholicus, but choose a new polygon outline color that's not likely to be seen in a satellite view, like bright orange! This would only be for a satellite view; the map view is okay. |
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stcraftie59
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I concur with eliyutero.
Beta is slow, bogged down. [b:38gyncwr]Please give us back our classic!!![/b:38gyncwr] |
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Anonymous1
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| 16 years ago |
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| Agreed with Scott, interrobang, shbn, Alexey, and eliyutero. |
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allgaiar
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i am sorry, but i am forced to use capital letters
SERIOUS PROTEST!!!!
This so called WM Classic in WM-Beta is not to handle. It waste our time. :-( |
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Profcard
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| I don't know how are you, but I like it! For me beta is good and classic did't worked well for me. Also unregistered and registered users in my country also prefer beta. But I hope that classic version won't gone, just change into wikimapia.org/classic. |
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bari
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I am very, very upset. It's not what was promised. It makes contributing more complicated, and I there is no way to select Auto, Map, Hybrid, Satellite, or Terrain. I would like to have the Hybrid mode again and not looking for places in a "blind map". It is not a fun to work on this map.
Do you really want to let people who "described the whole world" go away? Is it not interesting at all what users think about this new version? I can't beleive it. |
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bari
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| Did you try to add a polygon where only a rectangle was? It is not possible! You can have only the four corner points and you can't add a new point to create a polygon. It remains a four-cornered "something", not a polygon! Do you think it is possible to create the outlines of a town/city with four points??!! Or do you want all these old places to be deleted and created again? |
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bari
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I understood it: if I want to edit a rectangle to polygon I have to change from Wikimapia "Classic" (I think it's quite cinique to call this "thing" Wikimapia Classic...) to an other mode then make editing then change to "Classic" again. But really: do I want to change from one version to an other one (both are far from the versions I liked so much!) in order to be able to do something?
Till now it was good: there were Classic-lovers and Beta-lovers and everybody could make his/her contributions to the map and everybody was happy. Now it was decided that the Classic-lovers are not important. |
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Bobak
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| Ugh, what a frustrating change. I've done my fair share of additions to Wikimapia, but its stuff like this that turns me off for months. At least I know what I'm getting into on Wikipedia. When will Google come up with its own alternative instead of wasting time with the lame "knol" thing... |
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allgaiar
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| a very bad sign of disrespect to a lot of valuable users. :-( |
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Wikisoriano
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Wikimapia Classic IS NOT wikimapia classic as we know it, i don´t like these kind of decisions with lack of communication. ¿what will be happen with hundred of places with big polygons?, for example, seas, provinces, gulfs, etc....;
OK, if you want to add beta as the main version, i have no problem, BUT don´t give us a version with a lot of problems, besides Satellite + old places should be the main version, because people can create thousands of places that have been created, but they don´t have polygon.... |
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12pud12sce
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| Well there goes 2 1/2 years of my life. What are we gaining with this set-up. Frustration! What was wrong with classic????????????????????? |
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Martin67
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I know I will have many "thumbs down" from this but I think that the Admins are still trying to
resolve the many bugs around all this...(the merging of both WM)
I hope I'm right to say (and wish) that this will all be somekind of "nightmare" to forget soon after the "waking up" of the new WikiMapia!
Please, be patient, we'll all see what the programmers and the Admins are capable of doing soon... |
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wgsj
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| 16 years ago |
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| Wikimapia The Classic is much better. The Beta is very difficult work. |
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mfwills
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I will add my agreement with those who want Classic back. What I've encountered just today:
I can flip back and forth between new and old, and there are tags I placed under old that have just plain disappeared in the new.
I reported a problem with Wikimapia map mode as a bug (an entire island town missing from Lake Champlain). The old map mode was so much better.
I would prefer to have both sat and hybrid available.
I miss the ability to draw a polygon in Terrain Mode. If I am mistaken, someone please tell me. |
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Specious
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I was shocked this morning to see Classic gone as we know it! I have not been the only one saying that Beta is not ready, and until it is *in every way* as capable as Classic, it will lower my productivity.
I need to see the Google Roads -- or, alternatively, I can find motivation to start mapping roads if the road names were displayed! What's the point of looking at a nameless grid?
Beta is also slower than Classic. All in all, I appreciate the vision of the WikiMapia team, but we the contributors also deserve some respect along the way!
As it is, I'm going to take a break from my regular mapping. I'll still work on the railroads, since that's what I was doing with Beta anyways ;) |
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eamaral
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[i:hbbl9ysm]I miss the ability to draw a polygon in Terrain Mode. If I am mistaken, someone please tell me.[/i:hbbl9ysm]
In fact, capability to work over Google layers was removed from beta some months ago, due to possible copyright problems. So, i think it's not exactly a decision admins took because they liked it, but just because they thought it was necessary to avoid copyright problems. |
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stcraftie59
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>>In fact, capability to work over Google layers was removed from beta some months ago<<
I could draw polygons in ANY mode with Classic. To violate copyright laws you would have to 1. re-create a map feature [b:bgp60dxt]exactly[/b:bgp60dxt] as found on the Google map. That's not possible when done by hand. 2. Mark a "copyright trap" as a real place (ente should take heed of this. He was marking non-existing places here in Delaware).
Do maps have "copyright traps" to permit detection of unauthorized copies?
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Now we have Classic-that-is-not-Classic.
Kinda like a sheep in wolf's clothes. Looks good but ain't worth squat.
Slow loading- You can play solitaire while waiting for the map to load.
Features removed.
Who are they trying to kid? [b:bgp60dxt]That is not Classic, it is "dumbed down" Beta.[/b:bgp60dxt] |
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MHibbs
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Simply awful.
AK and the wikimapia team have really scewed up what WAS a good thing. |
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infovishera
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| Strongly agree with eliyutero and donotdisturb. |
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FrankieH
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| Hey! What happened to the WM Classic?! Please bring it back as the default map. This is not cool. |
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eamaral
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About the copyright, i have used the words from Koriakine:
"It was a bug that earlier it was possible to draw over hybrid. Not to mention it's not very accurate, but our concern is copyrights. When you switch to copyrighted layer it won't be possible to draw over it. It's serious."
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ivanatora
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Some bug reports:
- WM starts in a "Map" mode (where only tags are shown with no satellite image) - this is not the behavior I'm used to.
- when clicking on a location in my watchlist I get a view centered on the object which is OK so far. What is not OK is that the zoom level is about 18. Not the whole world is that high-res. There is no indication of missing satellite images (like in classic - "No image available") and there is only gray screen like it is loading something. The selected tag is not outlined, too. |
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ivanatora
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One more bug:
- overlapping tags. If 2 or more tags are put over each other I can't select the inner tag/s.
I see lots of improvements in the new version, and I'm glad of the progress the developers did on WM. If there was an announce about the default mode switcharoo, it would be great. |
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luyansan
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The new 'Wikimapia Clasic' doesn`t show the name of the streets. The Hybrid Google map does, but without marking the landmrks. I can't get the point of this separation.
What I want is a combination like this: Satellite + Street directory + Landmarks. That's to say the old 'Wikimapia Classic'!!! |
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Teresa
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| I suspect the new 'Wikimapia Classic' doesn`t show the name of the streets may be it has something to do with copy right because the Google hybrid is Google Map and not Wikimapia Map. |
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ginger749
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THATS IT FOR ME.
I'M OUTA HERE TILL CLASSIC IS RETURNED. |
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eamaral
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| Now we can not move rectangles. Are admins aware that, when we use the search tool, the result is centered in the rectangle? So, if we correct a place location due to satellite update, we will always be led to the wrong location, because the old rectangle will be there forever, no matter what we can do with polygon? |
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Teresa
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Nearly all of us here have been working tirelessly wanting to make Wikimapia a good site with good standards, but the admins took away the good tools and give us something we all find frustrating and time consuming to use. How can we stop Wikimapia slipping from a good professional site to becoming something mediocre?
Worse still, we are suppose to fight off the vandals from attacking our work. If we were the army supposedly to do that sort of fighting, we are not even issued with any ammunitions, how can we fight? With what? No wonder there are many users abandoning the site. |
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Wikisoriano
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| Teresa said all that we must to say, excellent words! |
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Specious
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About the copyright issues:
I understand there may be a problem letting us trace over Google Hybrid, but it's absolutely ridiculous not to let us *view* the layers together! When you click "Add place", if the Google roads disappear while you're tracing the polygon, that's OK.
@ Teresa:
Well said! But... to keep this website professional, wouldn't we need to get paid too? ;) |
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allgaiar
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| 16 years ago |
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| True words from Teresa. Exactly the same, what i want to say. |
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eliyutero
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| Very well said, Teresa. |
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Aschy
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| I agree with Teresa! |
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ivanatora
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WTF
INSERT LOW_PRIORITY INTO `top_city` (`city`, `cnt`) VALUES (5922727,1) ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE `cnt`=`cnt`+1;
Appears on some tags detail view above their titles.
Tag rating, eh? |
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eyecam1
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| Back to WM classic please. It makes no sense to force users to use that cripple Beta. It will force most users to quit. Is that upgrading? I doubt. |
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mrazidblack
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@ivanatora
It's not tag rating, it's just a small bug. It is supposed to insert the name of the region/city at the top of the tag window. |
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wgsj
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| Round the Classic, so stop with this thread! Should not extinguish what was right! |
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_PG_
Joined: 13/04/07
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WikiMapia Classic interface was fast, nice and familiar.
WikiMapia Beta has too slow redraw, and some dirty bugs in interface (like place description opening instead surface dragging).
WikiMapia Beta with layer "Classic" is not a WikiMapia Classic!
How to return old interface? Give me a link, please. |
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Teresa
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_PG_,
Please read this thread from the beginning. |
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_PG_
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| I read ALL this threads from beginning to end. I can't find how to run Classic interface and can't work with Beta interface. In current state wikimapia is unusable to me. |
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laileen
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@_PG_
Your right.. WikiMapia Beta with layer "Classic" is not a WikiMapia Classic! But this link that your asking for is nowhere to be found while the old interface (the real WM Classic) is not accesible anymore, it's gone since the admin omitted it already. |
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