Xantrex
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koriakine and users,
I am new AND a Geek, so please bear with me. What if we had WM Classic WITH the ability to toggle the rectangles on and off, no matter what map mode we choose to use. ANY map mode would have polygons, with OR without rectangles. I know that I could get used to that, quite easy. Then no matter how cluttered the rectangles got, they could be made invisible with the click of the mouse. Then we could use the "Classic" software that already WORKS!
I have been here just long enough to cut my teeth on Classic. I would like to go back to Classic and far, far away from the problems of Beta. I also hate the clutter that makes the bulk of the rectangles in Classic a bother. So give us the option to turn the rectangles on or off as each of us chooses, in WM Classic, and perhaps we could have the best of both worlds.
Maybe? |
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Brighante
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I would like to add something to the message written above;
Whenever we add any new place in new wikimapia(beta)
Two things mostly happen:-
1)Rectange in wikimapia classic mode gets very bigger which nobody can change
2)A duplicate place gets created which is already in classic,hence leads to the deletion.
So its more and more confusing the seniors and the users who are fond of wikimapia but not confusing very new users or unregistered users coz they dont know how system works pver here in wikimapia.
So in order to get this thing resolved. i think a decision has to be taken from koriakine Either to remove the whole wikimapia classic from wikimapia including all the palces created in it or get us the wikimapia classic back with all its features by creating the beta aside or an option given to go to beta as it was earlier.
Any Answers??? |
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Profcard
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| Well...It seems that I only in this forum who prefers beta :( |
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sodabottle
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Profcard,
I too can learn to live with Beta if only if it is a)as fast as classic b) does not freeze every four or five actions. |
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davechiew
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OT Sodabottle,
I've had only one rude reply but the fella was kinda anal-retentive (oops can I use that word here?). The user has since become inactive. I think I have better luck than you when dealing with new users. I had exchanges with three new users who were rather thankful for my help - one of them even gave me a good vote. Honest!
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davechiew
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| Profcard, I'm with you. High five! |
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davechiew
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>>i hve got some coffee left which we can have together but no at wikimapia but at any other interesting place bcoze wikimapia is no more interesting for us now.<<
Ah brighante, but it would be INTERESTING to see WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
And how much coffee you got left anyway? :-) |
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Brighante
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I hve got a lot which can last untill classic comes back:-)
once classic is back we can get back to work.(hehe) |
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Profcard
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I asked lithuanian users about beta-classic wikimapia. All prefer beta.
I'm not propagating beta or saying that classic wikimapia is bad. No. For me (and to lithuanian users) beta is more comfortable. Old version is a bit slower to me, also I navigate better in beta. I can draw roads and rivers.
I hope te admins will take good decisions and we could work (without any bugs, missunderstandings, argueing) together! |
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Carneyfex
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Classic Wikimapia is efficient and comfortable to use... [b:2dt8zaiy]if you are a long time user[/b:2dt8zaiy]. The weird rectangles and other intrinsic features of Classic are not intuitive at all and the way it presented information was very outdated. Doing anything in it was like coding a subroutine in assembly language instead of some high-level alternative like Python, Java, C, Pascal, whatever.
However, that is also the main advantage of Classic - it allowed us to do something that Beta doesn't allow us at all, something that required knowledge of the inner system, but allowed vast improvements to the data presentation.
My suggestion would be to return Classic as a special feature for privileged users (UL2) and force using Beta on all other levels, because, frankly, UL2s are the only ones who know how to use it properly, since they have been around for long enough, but they can do some things very efficiently in that environment. The rest of the users have all they need within Beta, thus letting them to twiddle with Classic is highly unnecessary and could be actually dangerous.
Just my opinion though. I, for one, am completely indifferent to this change because I always used Beta anyway. |
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MHibbs
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I like the cut of carneyfex's jib. His suggestion, in my opinion, is probably the best of both worlds solution to this major problem.
I hope the admins see and take his suggestion into consideration. |
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Badgerinmaine
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| I'm finding the new version confusing. Does this mean that for people to see them, I will have to go back and redo every single one of my old entries so that they show up? That's kind of frustrating. |
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nuclear_ace
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| No you don't have to redo them. There is a so called "classic" version that you can view your places without polygons. |
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kencummings
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I am a geek, an old geek. I learned my engineering on a slide rule and a drafting package was a T-square and a triangle. A steady flow of new users who click on ads are mostly what keep paying the bills. Oh yes the un-registered and some new UL1's do some bad stuff. Since I get postive reinforcement (shhh. say it quietly, points) for cleaning up messes I can live with it for now. Please give the admins some time to work on things. Say a few months. "This Too Shall Pass."
PS: please do not use abusive language to the Admins or anyone else for that matter. Lets show some class here. |
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Specious
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eyecam1
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I am sure all these comments above are from people who love WM.
Certainly they are having troubles with the new version.
Nothing is personal , we all appreciate the efforts of WM team.
The solution is very easy. Keep Classic together with Beta as before till you can find a solution avoiding the existing problems of both. I am sure WM team is neither arrogant nor obstinate, we all are looking for "Better Wikimapia". |
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bari
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| Davechiew: I have coffee for you, too! (Hungarian people are coffee-addicts - we operate on coffee, on strong coffee.) |
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davechiew
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| Thanks bari. I may just migrate there. :-) |
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DrCSKaushik
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| Coffee is better than vodka. |
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glecoh
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| NEW VERSION IS NOT NICE TO ADD AND SEARCH ANYTHING,OLD VERSION VERY EASY AND COMFORTABLE |
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| Well here people think it is better to cut off than to change the foot! |
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renkessler
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| I think we would rather just have the old foot back. Maybe an ankle brace for support, and it will work like new. |
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hichamzri9a
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slt ana hicham0653474050
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hichamzri9a
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hanane
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Mayooranathan
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| The intention of the new version seems good. However people misuse a lot. Funny shapes are drawn to attract attention for some individuals' houses! |
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guilloguzman
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When I saw that Beta was now the default version of wikimapia, I got excited at first. I was naive enough to think that necessary fixes, improvements and features would have been added in order to make Beta the new default. I guess I was just deluding my self.
I always do my work on wikimapia thinking of visitors who just want to get around the city, find a place they want to go to or get to know the city better, something that googlemaps or bingmaps can only do to a limited extend. From that viewpoint the new version of WM is simply useless. You can't have Wikimapia places (polygons) and google hybrid on the same view, so you might be able to find a place added on wikimapia, but can't get to see the names of streets that take you there unless you switch to google hybrid, but then the places are gone.
Futhermore if by chance the streets have been added to wikimapia you can't see their names because they don't show up unless you're on edit mode. What's more, many of the streets don't have names because you can't give them the same name used for address of places added prior to the road being created.
These issues have been pointed out by maninter too. As also mentioned by Specious, I just can't recommend WM to visitors anymore until these very basic fixes are in place.
I think that if it wasn't for Specious' Wikimapper plus plug-in that allows you to have wikimapia places and google hybrid on the same view I would probably stop my work on wikimapia. Then again, this plug-in is no solution for visitors, only for users. |
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Profcard
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| For me everythink works fine (the recent days some of the feature works better and faster), I have no complaints to admins and I wish them a great summer and I hope they fix the bugs, upgrade the system, listen to the users opinion. |
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Mapindentifier
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Its been a week since the new version was released and it seems our admins do not respond even in this thread to answer all the issues. This is the first time in my life to see a forum thread that some moderators or admins do not answer such issues and also our UL2 folks here also don't answering them.
What kind of service is this then? Its like I am talking to the hand?!!! Haaay!!!
I am so proud for this kind of technology combining wikipedia and google earth as one...
Useless innovation.
And even worse, some of our folks seems they want to say "babayu WM!!!"
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udntkwi
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| Last days Wikimapia is really working better. I like the new version, (without bugs). |
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renkessler
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| Are you saying it is finally and truly bug free? This is indeed good news. Report back in another week and let us know what new bugs you have found. |
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Jabir99
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Has anyone noticed what Koriakine has written in the [u:n0elhiks]second
last line[/u:n0elhiks] of his post (post number 1 - this very thread)
"The Old Wikimapia is available on the "Map type" menu as a
Classic Wikimapia option."
If you should go to [b:n0elhiks]MAP TYPE menu[/b:n0elhiks], you will see at the bottom
[b:n0elhiks]'Wikimapia Classic'[/b:n0elhiks] which means that WIKIMAPIA CLASSIC [i:n0elhiks][b:n0elhiks]is
still there.[/b:n0elhiks][/i:n0elhiks]
I wonder why so many users have been demanding something
that was not taken away in the first place?
Am I mistaken somehow regarding the users demand or is it an
oversight by [i:n0elhiks]most of the users?[/i:n0elhiks] |
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RK77
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The "Classic" Jabir speaks of is not the Classic we all know and love.
The version available in Beta is a toned down, inferior version; hence the recent uproar. |
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Specious
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I went to look at our "PROTEST" tag over Vatutinki ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="tinyurl.com/wikimapia-protest">tinyurl.com/wikimapia-protest<;!-- m --> ), because I wanted to show a friend, and I discovered it's no longer loading. In fact, I got this message:
[b:122v6tn2]Server error id 13208473 updatebug possible high load, please contact admins.[/b:122v6tn2]
Admins! There is a bug in your software censoring our speech! Please fix it as soon as possible! |
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Jim856796
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| In the new version of Wikimapia, the more or resize boxes function is unavailable and we are limited to resizing outlines polygons. This is a problem for the place tags whose boxes are larger than the normal boundaries/ground-prints of a certain place. |
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am71429
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| What about the land area measuring tool. will it come back? |
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Specious
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dawtcalm
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also note in the original post K. was being very selective in the screen capture... Note if buildings do not have addresses (the majority) it is VERY DIFFICULT to identify ANY TAGS on a map when looking around, just the thin white lines are indiscernible except at the CLOSEST zoom factor!!!
For example if you look at YOUR city from a zoom level of 6, which should show you a nice big neighbourhood, you probably only can identify ~10% of the items that are actually tagged, the rest the polys are TOO small to recognize as a tag!!!
For example in classic it was obvious all the things tagged here, you can easily recognize at least 60 things:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.457914&;lon=-82.9486656&z=14&l=0&m=s&v=9">www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.457914 ... =0&m=s&v=9<!-- m -->
in beta the place looks barren, I count 3 labels, and a dozen or so recognizable polygons
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.457914&;lon=-82.9486656&z=14&l=0&m=b">www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.457914 ... 14&l=0&m=b<!-- m --> |
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kencummings
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| What I have not figured out in Koriakines' example of the new form is what are the numbers on many of the building outlines? They do not appear to be address numbers. I will avoid posting new structures until I understand what is going on. |
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Jim856796
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| Also, the Geotools are no longer available. I can't even measure the land area of certain places anymore. |
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Silverhorse
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| Yes i agreed the geotools need to be put back |
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nektoinoy
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Dear Jabir99!
THERE IS NO WIKIMAPIA CLASSIC!!! If you try to use what you call "Wikimapia Classic" you'll see NOTHING FROM WIKIMAPIA CLASSIC THERE. Please, try to use it.
Yes, I am a geeck and I want to be a geeck if it will help to bring real wikimapia classic back. just do it as you did with beta! make two different wikimapias as you did before. And check the message of dawtcalm posted before.
And one more thing..
Before writing messages like this: "I wonder why so many users have been demanding something
that was not taken away in the first place?" REALLY THINK WHY we've been demanding. |
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Specious
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pitr
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Carneyfex
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Specious
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@ Carneyfex:
But since the core features do not work yet, I'd lean more to calling it an alpha, though "perpetual alpha" may be too derogatory. I hope it reaches a point where I could call it a perpetual beta (I have no problem with those). |
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pitr
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In the WP article about 'Perpetual beta', Tim o'Reilly is quoted several times.
According to him, the core is: "[i:3ht3etab]Users must be treated as co-developers[/i:3ht3etab]"
So the term 'Perpetual beta' applies to WM? ;-) |
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Specious
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| Ok, well at least WikiMapper Plus is a true Perpetual Beta then. Because I do treat users Koriakine and Jacksav as codevelopers :) |
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cryocone
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Something confuses me about the new version - and this is from an end user, not someone who has done a whole lot of editing.
One of the use cases for wikimapia is surely to answer the question 'what is this?'
But by default the new wikimapia only shows, I think, major roads and city boundaries. (to me, this adds to the clutter just as much as rectangles). So, I must enable the other options by clicking them on the categories menu. This took me quite a while to figure out because in the classic version, everything is shown by default. I seriously thought you'd all started over with a new database.
So, I must know what category a place is in before I can show its description? What if there's no category assigned to it? Can I just have an option to show all items?
Sorry if these are dumb questions :-)
Steve
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bio2935c
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@cryocone: Not dumb questions at all, and you are not alone in finding this "confusing". IMO this is one of, if not [u:1f2uzmdu]the[/u:1f2uzmdu], major problems with this version.
Let us hope admin reads your post, thinks about the implications and then takes some action to improve the situation.
Until then, just use Map type: Wikimapia Classic. At least that way you can see that there [u:1f2uzmdu]are[/u:1f2uzmdu] place tags. |
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Carneyfex
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[i:3vyb0tmo]In the WP article about 'Perpetual beta', Tim o'Reilly is quoted several times.
According to him, the core is: "Users must be treated as co-developers"
So the term 'Perpetual beta' applies to WM? ;-)[/i:3vyb0tmo]
Well, you got me here, I agree with Specious it's a perpetual alpha then. I just don't think it's appropriate to call it pre-alpha, the developers have done quite a job to build at least somewhat working system, which is not a trait of pre-alpha. |
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