Memphis
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> This feature doesn't apply for the map of Vietnam yet?
Presence of feature does not depend on geolocation. Road marking tool is on testing stage, that is why mentioned feature is available only for userlevel 2. |
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Hawkie
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| 18 years ago |
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| I don't know why, but somehow the "View roads (view)" and "View roads (edit)" modes both work very slow compared to "View all places" mode. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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> "View roads (view)" and "View roads (edit)" modes both work very slow
At first, road drawing is on the developing / testing stage now.
At second, road drawing tool uses transparency feature thus leading to some delays for during display.
Also maybe there are more intensive information exchange in case Roads mode.
All mentioned above can cause some slowdown.
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| 18 years ago |
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So far the developments look great to me.
I am still waiting the moment to name a road.
I also like the 7 different levels, very apropriate for road crossings. What are the agreements for tunnels/ subways?
I would like to see more different road-types, the ones I am used to on topographic/ road atlas in paper form.
examples:
Independant roads/ paths for bicycles/ pedestrians/ horsemen. (We have a lot of them in the Netherlands, where we have one of the highest detail maps)
Rail-roads (tramway - train)
Bus, tramway and metro lines.
Rivers & Canals
And what about big squares, which are hard to mark with lines? |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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ArnoutSteenhoek, you have a valid points.
> And what about big squares, which are hard to mark with lines?
In my opinion: square is just one type of crossing of roads. Taking into consideration future routing tool (to find route according to given set of milestones) there is no necessity to introduce special mark for square. But we should not forget that square is geo object and it can (must) have independent place profile. As for roads level - it is just big crossing of roads.
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| 18 years ago |
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| Maybe it is an idea for having Level -1 for subways and long tunnels |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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> Maybe it is an idea for having Level -1 for subways and long tunnels
AFAIK, data organizing with the help of layers is in development roadmap. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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Taking into the consideration completion of Road drawing tool it is time to remind about usability issues.
It will economize time of road marking in case language of road name will be saved across working session with Wikimapia. At the moment there is annoying thing - choosing of language every time we want to specify road name (imagine to yourself marking of dozens of roads...).
The best way IMHO is linking such settings as contributions language with user profile. So, it will be convenient due to user can work with Wikimapia on different workstations and storing such settings in cookies is insufficient.
Thank you. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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Accumulation of user activity (created places counter, number of edits, commented places) is awesome feature. It allows to estimate total investment of concrete user in life of Wikimapia. Also during viewing of certain place it can be interesting to know reliability of contribution source. So, activity of user can show its trustworthiness to a certain extent.
The question is "Is it supposed in further to accumulate statistic regarding road contributions?".
Well, IMHO it is possible to consider one named road as reason for increasing creations counter.
But the most accurate way of representation is length of created roads :)
Wikimapia Team, your opinion is expected :) |
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banej
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| 18 years ago |
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| How can I try this feature? |
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rmikke
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| 18 years ago |
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I can't see roads and I really would like to - I want to to use Wikimapia for marking bike routes in future.
And right now I do have some time - I've broken my arm so I don't work for some three weeks :-) |
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Veljkovic
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| 18 years ago |
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lol rmikke
You cann't mark any roads, if you are a level 0 or 1 user, only level 2 users can mark roads, but only car roads, not roads for bikes..sorry :-( |
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koriakine
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| 18 years ago |
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This feature will be opened tomorrow (for registered users). This doesn't mean that it's completely finished, but we coded major functions and tried to make good usability, however road naming still complicated and not evident.
After we will make the rest necessary properties for segments and points (between segments, example - U-turn, then also a possibility of where cars may turn).
We hope to finish this as fast as possible, not forgetting about usability. Then next step - railroads, metro, etc. for traffic.
What about river lines - we are not sure that they must be drawn by lines (also we may import water boundaries). So this is a subject of discussion. |
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Memphis
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koriakine, autonaming of road segments is not clear and it seems to be a buggy a little.
E.g. I am selecting several segments and then set appropriate street name (to say "XYZ"). But than all connected segments (which are perpendicular for selected one and have a crossroad) will be renamed with "XYZ" too. IMHO it is not meet real situation - perpendicular roads have another names. Also autonaming applies for all segments which are subsequent to the selected one (e.g. road has 10 segments, part of segments was selected (to say - only 5), setting name of selected segments will rename all segments). It is also unacceptable in some cases.
IMHO autonaming is not necessary at all. It leads only to confusion, there is no relief here. I find it very comfortable to set multiple segments (current way is rather handy) and then set the name of road with guarantee that all other segments will not be affected by my action (that is sense of selection - we are narrowing area which will be affected).
Thank you. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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Unfortunately, wide broadband Internet connection is not available for all users. Wikimapia is rather traffic consuming (well, the thing is worth the effort:), but there is possibility to increase usability even for low speed Internet cases.
I suggest at the moment of repainting map (e.g. after moving or zooming action) to depict at first roads polyline and then to load patches of map imagery. Doing in such way helps us to find our bearings on the ground more quickly, and then we can react more quickly - to move map further for example (and there will be no necessity to wait until the end of loading of the whole map).
Place frames act in proper way: we move map, at first new places will be shown at uncovered area, and then patches of map imagery begin to appear. So, maybe such approach is possible for roads...
Thank you. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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Is it planned to add different info section into road segment profile. I mean description, tags set, Wikipedia link, photos set (so, all what we have at place profile). This can be rather useful in case segment describes bridge, tunnel or so.
Also it is interesting - will road profile contain name of its creator? I think it is rather useful as soon as road drawing tool can be used by vandals for depicting abusive slogan with the help of segments. Name of contributor will be necessary to take anti-vandal measures in this case.
Thank you. |
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koriakine
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| 18 years ago |
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Thank you Memphis, I am improving naming (the major problem).
The road info data (not alone segment) will be the same as the place info.
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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> Thank you Memphis, I am improving naming (the major problem).
> The road info data (not alone segment) will be the same as the place info.
Glad to hear that. Thank you for your efforts and quick response. |
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oldman
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| 18 years ago |
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| i do not get the "view roads"under view can some one tell me how to get get this feature |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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> i do not get the "view roads"under view can some one tell me how to get get this feature
oldman, maybe relogin can help. Or CTRL + F5. |
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banej
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| 18 years ago |
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| Once again, how can i see this feature? |
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Memphis
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> Once again, how can i see this feature?
banej, choose "Roads (edit)" item under "View" menu (top left corner of Wikimapia homepage).
In case there is no such item at mentioned position than try to relogin (log out and log in). |
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banej
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> banej, choose "Roads (edit)" item under "View" menu (top left corner of Wikimapia homepage).
> In case there is no such item at mentioned position than try to relogin (log out and log in).
Memphis, I have tried to relogin (log out and log in) but there is no such option under "view" or any other menu. Is there something else that I can do? |
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Memphis
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> Banej! Just level 2 user can view and edit the roads! And you are a level 1 user!
Veljkovic, AFAIK road drawing tool was opened for all registered users more than week ago.
You can find koriakine's post in this thread which is stating about opening.
So, I think banej met other problem.
> Is there something else that I can do?
banej, then try to flush browser buffer by hitting CTRL + F5. |
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banej
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| 18 years ago |
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> banej, then try to flush browser buffer by hitting CTRL + F5.
No, it didn't help. |
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Mithgol
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| 18 years ago |
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| I am not sure whether the feature is already open for level 1 users; Koriakine just said the feature was going to be opened (for registered users) two weeks ago, but never said it's open. |
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Otto
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| 18 years ago |
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Very neat! I added a bunch of highways to the Memphis, TN area, along with a few downtown streets.
It's fairly easy to use, although I had some trouble with cross streets until I got the hang of it. The key is to just draw large segments at once across each other, and let it detect and deal with the crossing correctly.
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Otto
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Here's a problem.. When I'm making cross streets, if I let it do the automatic crossroad, then the line segment that gets split (the first one drawn) loses its information.
Draw one road. Save it and name it. Then draw another crossing it. It will ask what type of cross it is. Choose a crossroad. The first road gets a segment split at the crossroad, but both the new segments don't have any associations to an existing road, even though they did before the split. This makes it annoying to draw block streets, the two new segments should retain the information from the original segment that they were created from.
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koriakine
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| 18 years ago |
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Thank you Otto, I fixed that bug.
And I almost finished roads before global test (only naming streets in view mode left). |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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Let me please repeate my post (sent 2 month ago).
After some usage of road marking function several questions arose.
'Street name' (segment name) should contain shortened notation, shouldn't it?
E.g.
'Independence Ave.' or just 'Independence'
'Red Str' or just 'Red'
'Независимости пр-т' or just 'Независимости'
'Красная ул.' or just 'Красная'
Is shortened notation necessary to be added in segment name? Or segment name should contain only proper name. So, maybe it is more easy-to-use in case shortened notation will be added automatically according to type of segment.
Automatic way will prevent
- errors in notation
- absence of notation
- diversity (even ambiguity) of notation
Also automatic way will accelerate a little setting of segment names. Due to we can avoid multiple typing of the same words again and again.
And the last question: what place of notation is preferable (more comfortable for search and view) - after or before proper name. I am asking due to Russian language permits both variants.
E.g.
'Независимости пр-т' or 'пр-т Независимости'
'Красная ул.' or 'ул. Красная'
In my opinion - first variant (notation is after proper name) is much better in this situation. Because proper name is primary data when we are looking through bunch of segments with the purpose of finding certain one by name. Besides it is uniform for both Russian and English.
Wikimapians, what do you think about all in this post?
koriakine, your opinion is highly desirable. Thank you. |
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koriakine
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Спасибки за напоминание!
Yes, I remember this. I think the better way is Independence Ave. Независимости пр-т
Red - nonsense. Because it may be Red street, Red square (oh yes! Надеюсь у нас она будет одна на всех.) and Red ave. or avenue
I am not sure about automatic changes, probably we may check absence. Maybe also choosing?
What place of notation is preferable - no preferring way.
But probably проспект Независимости? I think for search it's better.
Я пошел спать. Спокночи! |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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> Maybe also choosing?
Yep, I agree with that, koriakine. Choosing of segment type is the best way (as it is implemented for place type). Types set sample: "Street", "Avenue", "Square" (we can add here "Bridge", "Tunnel", etc.)
Predefined segment types give us the next benefits:
1) it prevents misspelling ("Street" or "Stret") thus leading to raising of search results relevance.
2) it prevents conscious using of variations ("Av." or "Ave.") thus leading to raising of search results relevance.
3) it prevents conscious using of abridgements ("Av." or "Avenue") thus leading to raising of search results relevance.
4) it prevents conscious omission of manual input of type in segment caption due to laziness (thus leading to raising of search results relevance too).
5) speed of segment caption filling increases thus leading to increasing of usability. Due to it is not necessary to input manually type of segment in segment caption. Specified segment type will be shown automatically on mouse hovering alongside with segment name (e.g. street name).
6) it is necessary to specify segment type only one time. And it is no need in further fill segment type in segment caption for newly added language for certain segment. Thus leading to increasing of usability - speed factor (plus no need to translate - using of once translated predefined variants).
7) search mechanism can be more clear - there can be choice of segment type from set of predefined.
> What place of notation is preferable - no preferring way.
Auto displaying of notation at certain position benefits by uniformity of map objects naming. Thus increasing recognizability of user interface (one of traits of user-friendly interface). So, IMHO it is desirable to use one certain preferred way (I suggest the next way: NAME of segment, TYPE of segment - e.g. "Independence Ave.").
> But probably "проспект Независимости"? I think for search it's better.
Taking into consideration predefined types in search mechanism maybe it is more handy to use "Независимости пр-т" ("Independence Ave."):
- Because NAME of segment is primary data when we are looking through bunch of segments with the purpose of finding certain one by name (using mouse hovering).
- Besides it is uniform for both Russian and English: NAME of segment, TYPE of segment - e.g. "Independence Ave.".
> Я пошел спать. Спокночи!
Goodnight, koriakine :) |
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| 18 years ago |
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>Besides it is uniform for both Russian and English: NAME of segment, TYPE of segment - e.g. "Independence Ave.".
In Roman languages like Spanish, French, Italian etc. names comes after type. In my Russian class I also always came across this order e.g. ulitsa pushkina.
Type of segment will also give lots of translation problems, because every language has a different perceptive of calling something a avenue, boulevard, ally, road, way, lane etc.
Besides like in Russian the name changes in many languages according being for example an adjective or a substantive.
I don't know if it will be technically possible, but I prefer to set both name and type manually written. The importance of a road, given by the width of the lines though should give no problems and stay. |
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Memphis
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> In my Russian class I also always came across this order e.g. ulitsa pushkina.
ArnoutSteenhoek, of course "ulitsa pushkina" is more native variant for Russian. But, Russian admits inverted word order - that is why I'm talking about uniformity (among English, Russian and several other languages).
> because every language has a different perceptive of calling something a avenue, boulevard, ally, road, way, lane etc.
ArnoutSteenhoek, maybe here is no translation problem. Different perceptive of calling will be taken into consideration in each translation (here is much alike situation as we can see at translation of place types).
> but I prefer to set both name and type manually written
ArnoutSteenhoek, in that case we are not protected from problems of misspelling, using variations, abridgements, etc. See my previous post for details...
Anyway, ArnoutSteenhoek, thank you for opinion.
It will be nice to hear other Wikimapians. |
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| 18 years ago |
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>in that case we are not protected from problems of misspelling, using variations, abridgements
Memphis, This is a common problem inherent to inputs of Wikimapia, Wikipedia, which always can be edited.
Or is it our aim to set unchangeable fixed tags?
I became aware that naming of streets is a tricky business. |
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Memphis
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| 18 years ago |
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During using of road drawing tool I met one issue.
Warning messages (displayed near "save" and "cancel" buttons) are too unnoticeable, that is why from time to time it is unclear reason of negative response (e.g. segment was not drawn). It will be nice to change color of message's text, or add distinctive background color. And also it will be nice to increase timeout of disappearing of warning messages. |
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Otto
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| 18 years ago |
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The crossroads problem is fixed nicely.
However, in the process, some very useful features seem to have been removed. It no longer defaults to English for me, making it an extra step to name the road. Also, the quick list of street names is now gone, in favor of a button in the set street name popup. I dislike that a lot, setting up street names was much easier before.
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koriakine
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| 18 years ago |
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| Otto, I will upload last road build where a list of nearest streets will be present. What about english default - could you explain? |
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Otto
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| 18 years ago |
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Before, after I created a new road and went to set the street name, the language was already set to English (my default language). I didn't have to choose a language. Now it's set to "Choose" and thus I have to do the extra step of setting it to English. That step was unnecessary before, because it was already defaulting to English.
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Memphis
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> That step was unnecessary before, because it was already defaulting to English.
Otto, default English caused the wrong language selection in case of newbies or not so responsible contributor. That is known problem, it was discussed earlier. I think default English is not good. "Choose" by default is solution of mentioned problem. But "Choose" by default leads to inconvenience. That is why I suggest the next behaviour:
- "Choose" by default
- user selects certain language (only at one time)
- choice stores in cookies, thus there is no need to select language in current browser session (i.e. we have pseudo-default language). Pseudo-default language is more flexible, due to it saves time not only for English-speaking contributors, but for all.
I also find it inconvenient to choose every time certain language (in my case - Russian).
So, I hope intelli-memorizing will solve this lack of usability.
Thank you. |
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dasgrom
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| 18 years ago |
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I have finished to draw and named 99,9 % of Vologda streets (Russia). I would like to know, whether data will be displayed in google.maps? With an opportunity of search. Or will remain one of layers in wikimapia?
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koriakine
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Thank you, dasgrom! Great work :)
Data will not be displayed at google maps immediately, but we need some more data then we will insert to google maps mapplet and also to google maps search. We are working close with google about this availability in google maps search.
And surely we will open roads layer in wikimapia. (And include roads into our future API somehow, with possibility to export!).
What about me - I just finished major roads functions so we may really call it BETA. It left for me to make two main segments properties (bridge-viaduct/tunnel) then we would think about other segment/road/points properties.
Inform me if you see a bug or you think that some function can be presented in more obvious way! |
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ArnoutSteenhoek
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| 18 years ago |
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| Dasgrom, nice work but my computer freezes when I open your link!!! |
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koriakine
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| Yeah, too many object to draw in one time. I will try to improve this. |
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dasgrom
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| Yes, it is a problem. I use firefox |
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ogap
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Who can explain in Russian?
Посмотрел Вологду. Как отличить дороги из гугла от пользовательских? И вообще как включается функция рисования дорог? Как я понял она не для всех. Хотелось бы попробовать. И еще тормозит просто страшно, хотя и комп не слабый и сеть гигабит.
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koriakine
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Who can explain in Ensligh?>
How to distinguish Google roads ans user contributed. - We may change to satellite and you will see only user created roads.
(Как отличить дороги из гугла от пользовательских?) Можно переключить просмотр на спутниковый, тогда только пользовательские дороги будут.
TOO SLOW. - I am trying to fix this now, also I recommend FireFox (or Internet Explorer, but FF is faster).
И еще тормозит просто страшно. - Если у вас Файрфокс или ИЕ (а пока только они обладают технологией быстрой ра), то дело обстоит уже не в скорости интернета а в том, что слишком много объектов выводится, я пытаюсь оптимизировать показ, думаю, что получится ускорить режим просмотра. |
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Memphis
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| 11 posts ago you can see my post regarding segment's types. It was started with words "> Maybe also choosing?". After rethinking I want to suggest improved idea. You can see details and discuss it at "How to prevent issues inherent in wiki approach" topic of "Feature discussion and requests" section (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.wikimapia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496">www.wikimapia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496<;!-- m -->). |
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koriakine
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| Now the speed is greatly improved in view mode. We will do some more tests for bugs, update road info card design and functions - like in normal infocard, then we will open roads view/edit for one week old users and view for all users. |
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oldman
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| It seems to have improved speed when loading Roads (view)for the first time but then once i try to move sceen to the left or right it slows down so much that i get fed up of waiting.i get a box on the screen telling me the script is busy on the page.Is it just me or is that an area your still working on, or do i need to upgrade. |
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